I was trying to say that this build order is not anything unusual and every body (i think) just hangs to it.The exceptions are civs with dark bounces eg. 03-21-06 03:17 PM They have top-tier rams in the game and have access to the trebuchet as well after researching the required technology in the university. 03-23-06 10:13 AM Cavalry Archers cover the weakness of cavalry more ideally as they move as fast as cavalry do, preventing units from trailing behind. Of all the bonuses of this civilization, this is the most useful. Easy to follow build order sheets. 03-22-06 01:15 AM Age of Empires II, the classic real-time strategy (RTS) game, has been remade and released in a Definitive Edition for its 20th anniversary. I often have 10 at wood, 10 at food, 1 at building/later at gold. The Byzantines have one of the best infantry army, yes, but it does not mean they should be a core unit. ], [This message has been edited by fenris_w0lf (edited 03-18-2006 @ 03:39 PM). I sent my scout straight to my allies. Could you rephrase? 12 / 26, posted Out of these cookies, the cookies that are categorized as necessary are stored on your browser as they are essential for the working of basic functionalities of the website. I think i confused Byz with Teutons increased LOS. Here's a small quick overview on the basics of castle blood. who will protect monks from enemy military. 14 / 26, posted Starting with an extra 150 food is pretty huge, giving you options to either produce more villagers or advance through the ages faster. Oct 20, 2020. pigenious. This problem does not exist for CA, and as such, it is common to see Byzantines go for CA+Cataphract/Koursors later on in the game. 03-14-06 07:14 PM 25 / 26, posted A complete guide to get you started with the Civs of Age of Empires II: Definitive Edition, their respective Tech Trees, and their individual counters. CT (US)     Aztecs … Age of Empires III 2 viewers Rich23_AoE. Every civilzation has their own special traits. By all means, the Byzantines have pretty good siege. 03-22-06 10:24 AM Unfortunately, the Byzantines miss the final archery upgrades at the Blacksmith, so their archers miss out on a bit of armor, attack, and range when compared to those who have those upgrades. If the Byzantine brings Camels/Halberdiers, bring in HandCannoneers or Scorpions, as both of those are also outstanding support units against Cataphracts. All rights reserved.v2.4.2. As mentioned just about any rush works. Going infantry+cavalry is not ideal as both units are in different speed tiers, resulting in infantry trailing behind and not fulfilling their purpose. Their unique unit ignores armor, allowing them to quickly melt heavy infantry that would otherwise be a huge problem to take down. And cvan u name one other civilization tyhat get cheaper champions?And cvan u name one other civilization tyhat get cheaper techs? It’s Byzantines without any doubt! Skirmishers - Can counter all the missile units. Elite Lancers complete trash Koursors. 03-11-06 01:03 PM Is it true that samurai counters cataphracts in terms of cost? These cookies do not store any personal information. But the computer is still relatively easy to beat (Almost any kind of rush screws them up a lot; especially trushes). General and Strategy DiscussionModerated by John the Late. 9 / 26, posted I usually put ten villagers on food, then 3 on wood, then 2 more on food, then 8 more on wood. I could link you up to that 16min byz fast castle (no deer hunting, no selling stone, 27+2 pop I think) if you want? For example, going infantry+archers as Byzantines is going to end horribly, despite them having the best late-game infantry unit in terms of cost-efficiency. Age of Empires 2 Definitive Edition Civilizations which are hard to play and not worth it if you want to win at all. Cavalry units form the backbone of the Byzantine army. - 9th villager chops wood by LC.

Any Ideas on how to get this to work? It is mandatory to procure user consent prior to running these cookies on your website. Any cookies that may not be particularly necessary for the website to function and is used specifically to collect user personal data via analytics, ads, other embedded contents are termed as non-necessary cookies. 7 / 26, posted The Byzantines use CA instead of Arbalests to support their army, since it gives them the Disrupt & Shock buff and does not affect their army mobility. Necessary cookies are absolutely essential for the website to function properly. The Byzantines' primary strengths are defense and their ability to effectively counter a variety of troop types (infantry, ranged, and cavalry). - Scout finds main sheep flock. - 7th villager starts chopping straggler. The Byzantines do not gain as much from going economy approach as some other civilisations may. [This message has been edited by drahnier (edited 03-14-2006 @ 07:15 PM). The Ballista is a double-edged sword. 03-14-06 06:17 AM posted AOE: Area of Effect P. 22+2 Italian fast castle! Against Archer-oriented civilisations (Chinese and Mongols especially), the Byzantines should still be going cavalry unless they run out of gold, in which case they should be going Skirmishers. Thier imperial advance is the cheapsest, but cvan u name one other civilization tyhat advance cheaper through imperial??? The Byzantines have everything you would want in their Archery Range, but none of them are top-tier at what they are supposed to do. A strong combination for the Byzantines is to have CA+Cataphracts/Koursors+Ballistas, with Cataphracts being the meatshield for your other units. [This message has been edited by Saint Mungo (edited 03-14-2006 @ 03:17 PM).]. 2 ranges, and a tower to try and limit the opponents access to resources. Since they are slow, it is harder to incorporate them into an army with cavalry. After that, stone walls must be built in order to impede enemy advances. Having the Ballista, the Byzantines can start pushing in very early since the Ballista outranges TCs very significantly. CT (US)     This combo is very difficult to beat as it counters many traditional counter units. Yeap, u r right Saint Mungo. Fast Feudal? This AOE 2 DE Civ Tier List is updated for the latest patch 35584 (February 27th). Cavalry is the way to go for the Byzantines. Subjectively, I rank the Byzantines 4th (4/7) in Economy as they have all technologies and a small priest bonus, but no actual economic bonus. Its all a matter of number of games played. Welcome, friends and medieval historians, to the first major update for Age of Empires II: Definitive Edition!We are proud to introduce the December game update, which is accompanied by a *looooong* list of bug fixes, our first major civilization balance changes, as well as new gameplay additions and features we’ve prepared for Age of Empires II. 03-21-06 02:32 PM Closed or resource heavy maps usually ask for a fast castle. Hope this helps. Just wondering... Edit: The idea (at the time apr2002) was to show a 'generic fc' on Ara since Byz get no econ bonuses they were nice to use for a demo. Cicero; Dec 18, 2019; 2. Out of the civilisations who do not have any economy bonuses at all, they are the best of that group. On High Noon, however, it is logical to go skoutatos-rush into economy approach since having a TC securing the central golds of the map is very important. Cavalry Archers of the Byzantines are very different than that of Arabs and Mongols as these three civilisations use their CA for different purposes. Only under the circumstance where gold is scarce should spearmen be used instead, since spearmen are countered by so many more units than Koursors are and they cannot raid. CT (US)     However, they get outpaced very quickly by Mongols, Koreans, and Chinese, all of whom have a type of economic bonus be it increased gathering rate or faster villager production etc. This category only includes cookies that ensures basic functionalities and security features of the website. Sorry it is a wall of text. Standing out are their excellent navy, Monks, and economy, with only a single technology missing (Herbal Medicine) in all three branches put together but with handy perks like Greek Fire and an increased healing speed for Monks. Subjectively, I rank the Byzantines 2nd (2/7) in infantry as they have all top-tier options available, but their infantry as less usable than that of the Aztecs. Subjectively, I rank the Byzantines 4th (4/7) in Archery mainly due to them having many choices, but not necessarily being an Archer Civilisation per se. 03-17-06 02:58 PM I hope that newer players can gain some insight on how to play this civilisation, particularly on understanding what the Byzantines excel at and what they should not be going for. What stands out is that they actually get Skirmishers, which most civilisations either do not get, or have a gold substitute counter-archer. This gives the Byzantines an edge when there is little to no gold left since they have every trash unit line available to them, with one being top-tier and the others being above average. 18.03.08 18:44 - ashish Aiming for a fast feudal age will do it on most open maps. Therefore, you should start with Koursors, and add CA+Spearmen very quickly especially if you suspect the opponent is rushing the elite upgrade. If they go infantry or other units, it should not be hard to beat since none of the other Byzantines combos are as hard to deal with. The Byzantines have both infantry lines available to them (Skoutatos/Militia-line and Spearmen-line), and they have all elite upgrades of both. Overview. This makes knocking down their walls difficult and their defensive structures benefit as well. For this reason, the Skoutatos-line has some synergy with Cavalry and the CA are basically meant to be partners of Cataphracts. CA: Cavalry Archers Coaching: Byzantines Forward Trash Rush [20:47] In this coaching session we will attempt to execute the famous Byzantines forward! - 13th villager builds a mill by berries.- 14th villager picks berries.- 15th villager picks berries.- 16th villager lures 2nd boar to the TC.- 17th villager builds a house and then chops wood.- 18th villager eats boar.- 19th villager eats boar.- 20th villager eats boar or builds a farm.- 21st villager builds a farm.- 22nd villager builds a farm.- 23rd villager chops wood by LC.- 24th villager builds a house and a barracks.- Click advance to feudal age.- When 2nd boar is finished use 5 hunters to make a second LC and divide the rest around your recourses. It is important for the Byzantine player to have the correct mindset in playing the Byzantines. I think that u don't have to scout with the third villager since Byz have free Town Watch, so at least one sheep should be visible, right? The Byzantines Fortress is only used for map control and producing Belisarius, unlike the fortresses of some other civilisations. Mil1: Military Civilisation Upgrade 1 16 / 26, posted The Byzantines are strictly Cavalry-oriented, similar to the French. 03-21-06 03:38 PM Age of Empires III 2 viewers Knusch. I guess it could work for other civs aswell. CT (US)     Cavalry should always be the core unit of a Byzantines army, with infantry occuring only very occasionally to support. 26 / 26. It's okay to put two or more on gold if you're going to fast castle, but otherwise Paladin is correct. Ty, but fast castle requires 200 gold, its not likely you will be building archers or man at arms cause u can counter those with skirmishers and byz skirmishers are very cheap. CT (US)     The Mil1 Byzantine Archers have the worst attack and hp ever, so it is not worth using them so early on. The Byzantines, in particular, use CA as support as the Byzantines have the weakest CA in general, with bonuses that assist cavalry. The Byzantines can use their cavalry at any stage in the game and expect to dominate opposing cavalry units, except that of the French after they get Elite Lancers. Search AoCzone. Its very possible to keep up with AI on hard. Its a really fun mini-game seeing as you don't need to build an economy and all you need to do is … But opting out of some of these cookies may have an effect on your browsing experience. I found three turkeys and didn’t look for the fourth one (though you always find cattle in even numbers). CT (US)     This guide contains 11 build orders in 3 sheets. Ideally, the Byzantines should be using light cavalry in early game to slow down their opponent, then switch to Cataphracts or Koursors, depending on if the enemy goes cavalry (in which case you go Koursors). The archers, however, are among the worst of all civilizations. Subjectively, I rank the Byzantines 2nd (2/7) in cavalry as they have all three branches of cavalry units in the game. In addition they have access to all defensive buildings and their counter units have bonuses, making attacking them even … Even though they have limited choices in their siege weapons, similar to that of Arabs and Koreans, they get a unique siege weapon, the Ballista, which behaves very differently from the standard mangonel. Hey this build order works for every civ without dark bonous and is their anything unusual about it? Iirc you should be aging around the 25th vill. The Byzantines should be using a lot of cavalry units, assuming they are playing the civilisation correctly. Chronological Order of Campaigns. The first time I restarted Age of Empires 2 for an online game with my father and his colleagues, I just did nonsense. I already mentioned it's not a Byzantine specific build a few posts ago =P. It’s a hard battle to fight even with CA+Koursor+Spearmen vs Elite Lancers (who have charge), but its winnable if the game is not dragged out, when the French start adding Arbalests. 24 / 26, posted 03-24-06 08:05 AM i.e . Try to trush one of them and see what happens. i would normally make 2 villagers on gold right after i research wheel barrow, Thats what I am saying,I am not a good player.I know its easy for u but I cant even keep up with Hard Computer. Against Aztecs as well, going economy approach can help secure your mid-game since Aztecs have trouble pushing into TC fortified areas. CT (US)     {EDIT}In only one of the five games I played, the sheep were visible. CT (US)     The Byzantines have access to a vast variety of technologies. Your email address will not be published. In mirror match-ups, you need to have a good build order so you are faster than your opponent, whoever reaches Mil2 first with equal economy sizes as their opponent wins the game since it snowballs out of control. Men at arms into Towers: aoestats aggregates the latest ranked matches for Age of Empires II and provides in-depth data and statistics on a civilization basis; stats include: … I made this for myself, but I didnt see the harm in posting it. The Ballista works brilliantly with CA and Cataphracts since they can provide long-ranged artillery support and fortification destroyers. Being one of two civilisations who get the final spearmen elite upgrade, and the only civilisation to get all blacksmith upgrades for infantry, the Byzantines have formidable infantry, but they don’t use them a lot. CT (US)     Why cant a human keep up with a ahard computer?I think I should because Hard computer does not get the resource bonous in begening. Castle age in 13 mins! Subjectively, I rank the Byzantines 4th (4/7) in Siege. If you are using Anti-cav, be very careful since Varangians obliterate Anti-cavs. Byzantine Walls are stronger than those of other civilisations and all buildings except Towers and Castles are built quicker for the Byzantines This bonus gives the Byzantines an edge in defence, but also enables them to quickly expand their base and build forward bases whenever necessary. Both units are able to handle spearmen easily, which cavalry cannot. Weak spots in the Byzantine technology tree are hard to make out, but as their lacks in the defenses department (namely Masonry and Archit… However, it is very gold-heavy. CT (US)     These Civilizations will get steamrolled by any other race from the A and B tiers. Although I now realize it was Black Forest. Kin_Buzzz: It might be my lack of english-knowledge but I have no idea what you're asking. Use your map control to your advantage. If that sheep is visible u can bring it to the TC while the 3 villies build the house, and Scout goes to find the rest of the sheeps. They are so one of two civilisations who have access to the anti-cav, making them excellent in cavalry wars, which is so commonly seen in the current metagame. A project by Siege Engineers.Contribute on GitHub. Fast Imperial please! Their Archers are outclassed by Chinese and French, Skirmishers are even with other civilizations under certain circumstances, and Cavalry Archers (CA) are completely outclassed by that of Arabs and Mongols. When you turtle you play into the AIs strength, it is strongest with a full eco and a huge army that it can all micro at once. 03-19-06 12:50 PM I have no intention of doing a Kts rush build order, 1) it is easy to find 2) it varies to great degree and I have yet to find one I like If you need other build orders but cannot find them. For the record, it was AoE2 with conquerers expansion patch 1.0C. It’s all because of the 25 % cheaper defensive units. CT (US)     Of course, if gold is scarce, spearmen can replace anti-cav since you cannot afford to go anti-cav anyways. The Byzantines are not a particularly fast civilisation. Pikes - Can counter all the mounted units. Don't worry about "keeping up" with a Hard/Hardest computer...it's just about impossible =P . The Byzantines also have all the blacksmith upgrade available to them, allowing their fully upgraded Veteran Cataphracts to have up to 9 pierce armor, which is a remarkable feat considering Byzantines only need to upgrade their Cataphracts once to Veteran. 03-22-06 04:06 PM Before I start, here are some abbreviations and short-forms you may find in this guide. 03-14-06 03:07 PM Anyway, Paladins beat Cataphracts. That being said, having good spearmen is always a plus. 8 / 26, posted Yes you can just build a castle and watch the AI suicide units but that's cheese. What do you think of the Cataphract's strengths and weaknesses? Let’s see what it gives. Your email address will not be published. I modified this strategy so I castled a little later, and had more resources available to be on pace with the knight rush. It is very useful for the Byzantines as they provide the long range artillery Byzantines need. They also have Lancers which dominate Cataphracts (and Koursors when upgraded). - 1 villager builds his own house. Therefore, the Byzantines become a bit vulnerable to swarming since they don’t have mangonels, which flattens swarms of enemies with ease. As for defenses, the Byzantines are hands down the best defensive civilisation in the game, having access to all counter units and the best towers in the game, which can be upgraded two times. Anti-cav are preferred over spearmen as they can chase down cavalry and secure map control. A Byzantine player can easily take the FAST CASTLE mode providing a bigger than expected army. Byzantine cheap trash units, so build around that. Also, how is this a Byz Specific build? For a really *fast* castle I got a 1056 using mongs on yuc Federation Of Kings[This message has been edited by fenris_w0lf (edited 03-18-2006 @ 03:39 PM). CT (US)     If you study it you should be able to age up faster (to feud/castle atleast). 22 / 26, posted You can find out more in our Privacy Policy and customise your settings below. Reasoning? The Skoutatos-line is very similar to the AOE2 swordsmen-line Militia>Man at Arms>Longswordsman>Two-Handed Swordsman>Champion, who are good against trash units (same here), but suffer from poor mobility. Age of Empires 2 is a Real Time Strategy game that works on a very simple principle: the more ressources you have, the more military you can produce.. Once I acquired that little piece of knowledge, I went on to learn that boars, that I had always ignored, were to be hunted and their food collected. Build orders with a similar start are combined together to minimize the number of sheets. Skirm and scouts at fuedal for harass and scouting, to completely deny archer play. 03-18-06 10:45 AM or most of the cases. The Varangian trades efficiently against quite a few units, even if they end up losing the fight. 6 / 26, posted For WololoKingdoms A series of interactive tutorials for learning and practicing build orders. Their buildings have bonus hit points which increase with every age advance. Byzantine Strategies in AoE2 FE: ... but I've never tried to play it as one, any tips to pull this off effectively in a multi-player match? However, the Ballista has severely reduced AOE damage (Treat it as a single target damaging unit). The Byzantines should almost never be using their Archers to form the core of their army, but should be using them as supporting units to handle spearmen and other counter units. However, the French can upgrade their Lancers while the Byzantines cannot. 20 / 26, posted The Byzantines should start out using Koursors since they win against Lancers without the elite upgrade. Since their priests also provide a gathering rate increase to nearby villagers, the Byzantines have a solid economy. ], [This message has been edited by drahnier (edited 03-18-2006 @ 11:29 AM).]. The Byzantines also have the Battlements upgrade available to them, further solidifying their position as the civilisation with the best defenses. When a cavalry unit attacks the Disrupted unit, the Shock buff applies and the enemy unit is dealt twice as much damage. The Byzantines infantry lines are not used a lot as they have faster replacements for both units. Infantry units have horrible mobility, thus, map control is surrendered to the opponent once you start making infantry. 4 of the remaining civilisations have a way to outboom the Byzantines if both go for economic approach. This is why the Byzantines are always going CA+Cavalry (+Ballistas for slow-push). This website uses cookies to improve your experience while you navigate through the website. ... Age of Empires 2 viewers TerryxPownzTW. I scouted my base with my villagers. 03-14-06 08:44 AM Anti-cav: Koursors It might be better to wait on that second house and either scout for sheep and/or start eating with that third villager. CT (US)     CT (US)     The Byzantines are the civilisation everybody begins with. CT (US)     Mil2: Military Civilisation Upgrade 2 Infantry is not particularly useful in general as they lack mobility. < > Against Cavalry-oriented civilisations (French or Byzantines), make use of your Koursors. 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